Anonymous · January 25, 2026
Serial Number 11858859 was reported as accurate.
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Access Date: June 3, 2026
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin National Watch Co.
Grade: 334
Official RR Standard
| Manufacturer: | Elgin | ? |
| Manufacturer Location: | Elgin, Illinois | ? |
| Movement Serial Number: | 11858012 | ? |
| Grade: | 334 | ? |
| Model: | 11 | ? |
| Class: | 121 | ? |
| Estimated Production Year: | 1905 | ? |
| Run Quantity: | 1,000 | ? |
| Grade/Model Run: | 1 of 2 | ? |
| Grade/Model Total Production: | 1,500 | ? |
| Grade/Model Unrealized Production: | 500 | ? |
| Size: | 18s | ? |
| Jewels: | 21j | ? |
| Jewel Setting: | Gold Settings (Screw-Set) | ? |
| Movement Configuration: | Openface | ? |
| Movement Finish: | Nickel | ? |
| Movement Inlay Color: | Gilt | ? |
| Movement Setting: | Lever | ? |
| Plate: | Full Plate | ? |
| Double Roller: | Yes | ? |
| Barrel: | Going | ? |
| Train: | Quick | ? |
| Regulator: | Ball | ? |
| Pallet Jewel Material: | Sapphire | ? |
| Adjusted: | Yes | ? |
| Adjusted to Temperature: | No | ? |
| Railroad Grade: | Yes | ? |
| Movement Markings: | Ball Watch Co. Cleveland, O. Official RR Standard 333 Double Roller 21 Jewels Sapphire Pallets Adjusted Trade Mark Patented No. 17.96. Pat. Aug. 18.96. | ? |
| Case: | Various | ? |
| Run ID: | 5145.334G1.18S2418.1811M5.O1621.L1676.21J135 | ? |
| Data Research: |
1909 Elgin Serial List 1915 Elgin Serial List 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List |
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| Database Version: | v52.978 | ? |
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| Registry Population: Scoped for This Run Only: | 19 (1.90%) | ? |
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Research Note: Recorded in original serial lists as Grade "Special." Marked "333" on Movement
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Total Known Population In Run 19/1,000
Percentage of Total Run 1.90%
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Anonymous · October 26, 2025
Serial Number 11858859 was reported as accurate.
brownsrplm · July 3, 2025
Serial Number 11858379 was reported as inaccurate.
No further details were submitted with the report.
Anonymous · October 11, 2024
Serial Number 11858379 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: This movement is an Elgin Ball 333 and is marked as such. It has the sapphire pallets, is 21J,
cjbrem · August 25, 2024
Serial Number 11858626 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · April 4, 2024
Serial Number 11858823 was reported as accurate.
garydurie · September 7, 2023
Serial Number 11858897 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Movement says 333
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. These movements manufactured for Ball at the Elgin are marked "333" but recieved factory grade designations that differ from the markings (Grades 327-334). These have all been documented accordingly.
Anonymous · June 16, 2023
Serial Number 11858012 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · May 11, 2023
Serial Number 11858012 was reported as inaccurate.
No further details were submitted with the report.
Anonymous · November 14, 2022
Serial Number 11858715 was reported as accurate.
DaveReid · October 29, 2022
Serial Number 11858197 was reported as accurate.
AbellWatch · August 12, 2022
Serial Number 11858384 was reported as accurate.
Blicquer · July 10, 2022
Serial Number 11858348 was reported as accurate.
hiyumash423 · March 3, 2022
Serial Number 11858140 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Your info calls the movement 334 grade. The movement is marked 333 grade. Serial # 11858140 Ball
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. These movements manufactured for Ball at the Elgin are marked "333" but recieved factory grade designations that differ from the markings (Grades 327-224). These have all been documented accordingly.
DaveReid · August 7, 2021
Serial Number 11858197 was reported as accurate.
DaveReid · July 11, 2021
Serial Number 11858197 was reported as accurate.
DaveReid · July 10, 2021
Serial Number 11858197 was reported as accurate.
steve288 · June 7, 2021
Serial Number 11858197 was reported as accurate.
keywind · April 14, 2021
Serial Number 11858470 was reported as accurate.
chuck1500 · January 19, 2021
Serial Number 11858912 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · August 27, 2020
Serial Number 11858867 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · June 27, 2020
Serial Number 11858313 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · August 15, 2019
Serial Number 11858939 was reported as accurate.
barberr1 · May 11, 2018
Serial Number 11858302 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · March 5, 2018
Serial Number 11858827 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Marked 21 jewels
Changes since this report was submitted:
- Grade changed from 333 to 334
- Jewels changed from 17j to 21j
Anonymous · January 24, 2018
Serial Number 11858836 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · January 24, 2018
Serial Number 11858836 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · April 19, 2017
Serial Number 11858114 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · August 10, 2016
Serial Number 11858508 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · January 25, 2016
Serial Number 11858092 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · January 25, 2016
Serial Number 11858092 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · December 1, 2015
Serial Number 11858239 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · December 1, 2015
Serial Number 11858239 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · September 12, 2014
Serial Number 11858760 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: MODEL: 12; PLATE: FULL PLATE;
Changes since this report was submitted:
- Plate changed from Unknown to Full
Anonymous · September 3, 2014
Serial Number 11858760 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · September 2, 2014
Serial Number 11858760 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Grade 333
hank123 · April 24, 2014
Serial Number 11858251 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: my example clearly mkd adjusted
Changes since this report was submitted:
- Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Anonymous · January 2, 2014
Serial Number 11858407 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · October 6, 2013
Serial Number 11858249 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · September 9, 2013
Serial Number 11858931 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: This is engraved Ball Watch Co., g334
(made by Elgin)
(made by Elgin)
Changes since this report was submitted:
- Adjusted changed from No to Yes
mudhead · August 6, 2013
Serial Number 11858560 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · June 17, 2013
Serial Number 11858407 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · June 17, 2013
Serial Number 11858407 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · June 4, 2013
Serial Number 11858109 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
- Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Anonymous · February 20, 2013
Serial Number 11858837 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Signed
Grade 333
Ball
Official Railroad Standard
Grade 333
Ball
Official Railroad Standard
Changes since this report was submitted:
- Adjusted changed from No to Yes